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  • #16
    Re: How do the Honda's rank?

    to really know how well somthing is you need to know the numbers out there . there is not to many hondas running around to break down . but when they do break better hope theres a dealer who knows how to fix it . i have yet to see a honda in my shop { or in the water } i do know of a rentle place that bought 2 hondas and 5 seadoos for there fleet and they sold the hondas fast . i dont know the reasion .
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    • #17
      Re: How do the Honda's rank?

      Interesting comments. Honda is a world leader in engine technology. Its hard to imagine that their watercraft is that bad.

      Honda watercraft owners, please let us know.

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      • #18
        Re: How do the Honda's rank?

        It's not bad at all - mechanically. But come on - they had zero PWC experience, and it shows. The ride and speed is just way off from the rest of the pack. Oh well, that's probably why they aren't selling well either, and why you hardly ever see them on the water compared to others.
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        • #19
          Re: How do the Honda's rank?

          I can't speak for the competing skis (STX-15F, FX HO, RXT), but my new '04 F-12X is an absolute blast to ride. I have ridden a 12F, so I know what that hull rides like. I prefer the Honda. It's not the fastest on the water, but it's got plenty of speed for me. I think the hull is exceptionally playful for a 3-seater, better than all the other 3-seaters mentioned above from what I've read. I understand that the 15F handles chop better, and stays hooked up better, but at the price of a harsher ride. The Honda hull gives a softer ride and is more playful.

          The only complaint I have is that the F-12X is slow out of the hole, but once the turbo kicks in, in about 1 second, then it accelerates well. You don't want a Honda if drag racing is your thing. At least not in stock form.

          Ergonomically, it's extremely comfortable. The handlebars, the seat, everything, just fits me really well. I've ridden 9 hrs. on mine so far, and can't wait for the next 500 or so. My wife is super pleased with the ride as a passenger, as well.

          I am not the racer type. I prefer cruising with an occasional WOT burst. If you're a hard core racer who keeps the throttle pinned much of the time you ride, then don't get a Honda. If, on the other hand, you spend a lot of time just riding around exploring different places, jumping a few waves or boat wakes and just taking in the sites, and maybe some towing, then the Honda is tops in my book.

          At cruising speeds, it is also the most fuel efficient of the above mentioned skis. Just stay out of the turbo, and it sips fuel sparingly. At WOT, though, it burns slightly more than 12 gph, compared to the 15F's 10 gph.

          Just some of my thoughts as a new owner. Personal impressions of jetskis are going to vary widely from person to person. Your riding style, what you want to accomplish, your ego, etc., all play into what ski you should buy. Buy what you like, not what everyone else thinks you should have.

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          • #20
            Re: How do the Honda's rank?

            Nevermind...
            Last edited by GrandRapidsF4i; 08-12-2005, 12:45 PM. Reason: Because my post added nothing positive to this thread.

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            • #21
              Re: How do the Honda's rank?

              I have a buddy who loves his Honda's for cruising around, day to day riding.
              He says they are the most reliable pwc's he has ever owned. He also owns a fleet of PWC's. Every brand except Polaris and Tigershark that is. His fastest Yamaha actually goes close to 85 mph on the radar gun (no kidding), it is a carbon fiber hull and deck with a huge big bore Yamaha motor and triple pipes going through a Skat Trak pump. He owns Sea Doo's that do 70 or better. He has a copule of Jetboats, one SD and one Yamaha. He has two or three Kawasaki triples.

              He owns 3 houses on the Colorado river with docks in front. He rides alot.
              He and his wife swear by those Honda's..........
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              • #22
                Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                I would get a Honda ski based soley on the fact that I have owned Honda products in the past, and know they are bullet proof...

                Like the civic... Sure, a Mustang may be faster, or a Mazda Miata may handle better... but the fact remains, that the Honda will outlast almost all other vehicles on and off road today.

                I have had a few honda toys, including the 400ex 4-wheeler, and I couldn't break that thing, and was a VERY hard rider. It was just very impressive. I'd love to own a Honda PWC, just because I know that it will be a reliable machine.

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                • #23
                  Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                  The hull design on the 05 3seater and the R12X two seater is very dry, stable and predictable.

                  the two seater is a BIG boat but feels far more nimble than the length or weight would lead you to believe.

                  With MACSBOOST, you can suprise some skis on the R, and the midrange kick goes from cool to wicked.
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                  • #24
                    Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                    Is there anything else out there yet besides the macsboost for performance increases???

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                    • #25
                      Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                      Originally posted by SuperMAC
                      The hull design on the 05 3seater and the R12X two seater is very dry, stable and predictable.
                      What? Are you sure? My '04 F-12X is a very wet ride. I don't mind that at all because I ride fresh water. But it does spray you a lot. I haven't heard of any changes for '05. I'm only speaking of the F here. The R is a much drier ride, I've heard.

                      Stable and predictable? Absolutely! I love the ride of my F. It feels much lighter than it is, it goes through chop straight without any tendency to "hunt" or turn suddenly. Even with my wife on board I don't worry at all about plowing through boat chop. And it rides through chop much more softly than my old WaveVenture.

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                      • #26
                        Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                        I heard that the turbo unit rusts and fails in a salt enviorment..........

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                        • #27
                          Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                          Not if you follow the maintenance schedule. It says to spray the turbo and wastegate solenoid linkage down with CRC 656 or equiv. after every ride. That's no different than what most salt riders do after riding. They spray pretty much anything that is metal.

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                          • #28
                            Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                            again, the R12x is definitely a dry ride. I can wear jeans and a sweatshirt and never get wet. Its a great wave jumper despite its 3 seater size and handles nicely. All my die-hard sea-doo XP limited buddies say that if they were to sell their stuff and get a 4 stroke, it would be a R12X, not a RXP.

                            The R and the F hull are completely different. Yes, the 02-03 F hull is a wet ride. The 04+ F hull was re-designed and is a dry ride as well. The only similarity is the weight.

                            The Honda is actually a very refined ski and if you ever read the reviews in the PWC mags, the hondas always are given good marks on everything but horsepower. They always have great marks on handling. The R12X had the second best time in the slalom course shootout with the least horsepower. That should say something.

                            FYI, Watercraft World is going to review my MACSBOOST module in an upcoming issue , and I cant wait to read it. My module takes a great ski and makes it even better.

                            Nitroshark has an elaborate kit to replace your ECU entirely. I believe the nitroshark kit is worth about 40 more HP. Other than Nitros stuff and MACSBOOST, that is all that exists for engine performance.

                            I still have my 96XP and have a Kaw SXR. I wont be selling my Honda any time soon unless it is to get a R15X.

                            Mac
                            Last edited by SuperMAC; 10-22-2005, 10:29 PM.
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                            • #29
                              Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                              Originally posted by SuperMAC
                              Yes, the 02-03 F hull is a wet ride. The 04+ F hull was re-designed and is a dry ride as well. The only similarity is the weight.
                              Hey, Mac, don't get me wrong...I LOVE my '04 F-12X. But I have to disagree with you. It is a very wet ride. It sprays me when I'm riding across a lake with small chop. Just riding across a small boat wake shoots some spray over the bow. I'm hoping to put a spray deflector on it next year.

                              I haven't ridden an '02 or '03, so I have no way to make a comparison. Maybe mine is dry comparatively speaking.

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                              • #30
                                Re: How do the Honda's rank?

                                The R is a dry dry ride, The 04 and up F are pretty dry for a 3 seater. Ride an RXP and you will say yours is very dry!
                                -[\/]ac<br /> <a href="http://www.MACSBOOST.com" target="_blank"><B>www.MACSBOOST.com</B></a> Plug in 20+HP for your Honda Turbocharged Watercraft
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