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  • #16
    Re: new engine siezed

    so what woudl cause the carbs to go out and cause a lean mixture? i mean, i didn't do anythign to the carbs?

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    • #17
      Re: new engine siezed

      dirt { were they ever rebuild or cleaned before ? or if you had leaky N/S they could have washed the oil away then when the engine reved poof not enough oil . at 7000 RPMs it dont take much . how old was the fuel in the tank?
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      • #18
        Re: new engine siezed

        the fuel was pretty empty, it had 2 bars on the meter and it was about 5 weeks old fuel.

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        • #19
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          ok, i just rmembered something. upon dissasembling my engine. i noticed that the intake manifodl gasket. the gasket between the carb and the rv cover was not properly on. the hole didn't line up w/ the hole for the screw, it was completely twisted and had no effect, this was the side w/ the destroyed piston. coudl this be why the engien was fried? it created a lean mixture? like i sid, this was the work i got from bill.

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          • #20
            Re: new engine siezed

            did you fill it up before riding ? or ride on what was left ?
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            • #21
              Re: new engine siezed

              i filled it up, and loaded up w/ sbt break in oil.

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              • #22
                Re: new engine siezed

                Ttt

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                • #23
                  Re: new engine siezed

                  Radio,
                  If we made a mistake installing a carb gasket, all you needed to do was call me and tell me. I will install your new SBT engine for free if I caused your problem.

                  We had those carbs off three times at your request, the first time to rebuild them, then two more times to assure you that nothing was wrong with them. Your biggest problem was orginally trying to break-in and ride the ski at 7000 ft altitude,which you failed to mention and which I explained to you why it would not run very well at that altitude without an impellor change and the fact that the compression was quite a bit lower than oem compression.
                  Your attempts at tuning the carbs left them with one low speed adjuster at 5/8ths a turn out and the other closed. The next major problem I found, after reassuring you about the condidtion of the carbs, which were good, is that you installed your rotary valve upside down and 8 degrees off. Then I found out that you installed the motor without adjusting the ignition timing, which I did for you.
                  Your last complaint has been that the engine does not accellerate exactly like it did before the new engine, even at local lakes at normal altitude. I explained that you do not have the same compression ratio of an oem motor and it will never be exactly the same. The saga continues........

                  If you feel that Watercraft Magic caused your problems, call me and I will arrange to replace your motor and I will set your ignition timing and your RV timing. I will even take your boat to the lake and tune the low speed adjusters myself.

                  You know how many hours I have allready put into this deal. I will stand behind my work. All you need to do is call.
                  Bill O'Neal <br>
                  WCM
                  <a href="http://www.watercraftmagic.com"

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                  • #24
                    Re: new engine siezed

                    I will note that what Bill said is NOT what the guy told me on the phone. He insisted he put the valve on correctly, and wasn't sure if Bill really did anything, or if it made any difference if it was off or not. He also did NOT say he ran it for 3 HOURS with the carbs all screwed up! He told me it was like that from the start, and the carbs were rebuilt. I have no doubt with the amateur install job and mistakes made, plus the bad carbs that were even mistuned, that damage was done in 3 hours. At least he gets a free engine out of it.
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                    • #25
                      Re: new engine siezed

                      Radio,
                      Interesting that you told Brian that we didn't do anything ?? Can you tell me if you used 518 sealant when you orginally installed the RV cover? Because it sure has it on there now.

                      Your last bill paid to me was for removing and re-installing and inspecting the carbs, which were OK, again.
                      Then I checked and corrected the ignition timing that was 1 degree retarded. BTW, I used a $750 programmer to do that, just in case you thought I should do it for free. Then I removed the RV cover and found the rotary valve to be off by about 8 degrees, which happens to be what they read when they are on upside down.

                      I charged you 2 lousy hours for labor. Your bill was $150.00

                      Now you are saying I didn't do anything??? Unbeleiveable !
                      Bill O'Neal <br>
                      WCM
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                      • #26
                        Re: new engine siezed

                        tech, the carbs were not run whilie mistuned. after i had the carbs rebuilt by bill, i had taken it out to a local lake that was aprox 800 feeet above sea level and it woudl still take off the way it was. after takign it back to bill again after he adjusted the rotary valve, it still woudl not accelerate the way it did. BOTTOM LINE IS. the performance was the SAME exact thing from the start.

                        i was told that it had leaky needle/seats because it woudl be hard to start at first. i did not touch anything until after the first tank of gas which i insisted that i take to bill for professional repair. after that, it was taken again on the lake and would just not run the same way. this engine just would not run the way it used to.

                        bill, one question, did you do the compression check on both cylinders? becaue i remember only seeing one cylinder at a compression of 143? and that was the cylinder that is not siezed.

                        could it be ithat because the gasket was not properly on, that it siezed the motor up? i'm not exactly sure if it can do that. i have already stripped the motor apart and it's ready to be sent to sbt (stripped as in, the parts i keep)

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                        • #27
                          Re: new engine siezed

                          Originally posted by Bill O'Neal2
                          Radio,
                          Interesting that you told Brian that we didn't do anything ?? Can you tell me if you used 518 sealant when you orginally installed the RV cover? Because it sure has it on there now.

                          Your last bill paid to me was for removing and re-installing and inspecting the carbs, which were OK, again.
                          Then I checked and corrected the ignition timing that was 1 degree retarded. BTW, I used a $750 programmer to do that, just in case you thought I should do it for free. Then I removed the RV cover and found the rotary valve to be off by about 8 degrees, which happens to be what they read when they are on upside down.

                          I charged you 2 lousy hours for labor. Your bill was $150.00

                          Now you are saying I didn't do anything??? Unbeleiveable !
                          I did not say you didn't do anythign, i said the work you did, did absolutely nothign to it's performance. i think what i said was misunderstood. like i said earlier. everything since day one w/ the engine has been teh same exact thing. i just want it to run the way it was. and according to users on this forum, their engiens run just the way it used to. even down at lower altitute lakes. the ski was running terribly.

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                          • #28
                            Re: new engine siezed

                            Originally posted by Technical Support
                            I will note that what Bill said is NOT what the guy told me on the phone. He insisted he put the valve on correctly, and wasn't sure if Bill really did anything, or if it made any difference if it was off or not. He also did NOT say he ran it for 3 HOURS with the carbs all screwed up! He told me it was like that from the start, and the carbs were rebuilt. I have no doubt with the amateur install job and mistakes made, plus the bad carbs that were even mistuned, that damage was done in 3 hours. At least he gets a free engine out of it.
                            the ski was not running for more than 10 seconds w/ the carbs that way, it was on the trailer

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                            • #29
                              Re: new engine siezed

                              So now what do you want to do? Discuss this over the internet or call me and resolve the problem?

                              Like I said, if I screwed up your motor, I will fix it. All you need to do is call me. I have not had a good reputation in the watercraft industry for over 15 years from doing shoddy work or not standing behind the work I do.

                              In case you lost it, my phone number is 626 914 9509
                              Bill O'Neal <br>
                              WCM
                              <a href="http://www.watercraftmagic.com"

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                              • #30
                                Re: new engine siezed

                                Originally posted by radiocontrolhead
                                how could they be runnign lean if the mixture was always the same? what woudl cause them to run lean? a dirty carb? or what? the carbs were rebuilt after 3 hours of use.
                                And yes, you certainly did say that you didn't know if Bill actually did anything, because it still ran the same.
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