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  • #31
    We supply 5 hole. Yes it can replace the 6.
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    • #32
      I am getting ready to start re-building and had a question about the head surface.

      There seems to be some rough surface area close to the combustion chamber, I believe due to salt.
      Is this something to worry about? Can a head be re-surfaced, without changing compression?

      Hopefully the pic will help.

      BTW- there are 36 needle rollers on each wrist pin, not 34 like the shop manual says.



      [ April 07, 2004, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: Technical Support ]

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      • #33
        You need the head remachined - yes that surface is critical for the gasket to seal, but your domes are pitted from debris damage. Every little sharp bump creates a hotspot for detonation.
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        • #34
          Thanks - can this be accomplished with affecting compression, or the need to compensate with a thicker base gasket? There was a 6 hole on there before re-build.

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          • #35
            The head should be all machined equally, keeping the domes and gasket surface equal, no need to alter specs.
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            • #36
              Bombardier has a tool that makes installing cageless bearing very easy. If you are interested I'll get the pn.
              Dick Bell
              http://www.hansenskidoo.com

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              • #37
                Thanks, Yes I would be interested. I'm installing OEM bearings and was going to do it without any special tool.

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                • #38
                  How necessary is the tool to install the wrist pin bearings? I have all my parts, and ready to finish this project. Can this be done without the tool?

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                  • #39
                    You can carefully do it by spreading a film of grease on the inside of the rod, and laying the rollers on it, but the tool makes it a breeze.
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                    • #40
                      34 Pins on 717's and 787's

                      36 Pins on 947 Wrist Pin Bearings
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                      • #41
                        ........ and if you're missing one DO NOT re-assemble the engine before you find it.

                        It is most likely under the Crank Journals/Webs on the bottom of the lower case. I made a tool with a small magnet epoxied to the end of a flexible Tie Wrap to scoot under the Crank to grab those. Works well........
                        DAVID_HX_XP_RX-DI

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                        • #42
                          i do agree that the pin should be in the kit , it would make it more simple for the end user not to worrie about it , also i have put many caged pins in and have none fail . even the ski i repair that had caged in them the berings were always in good shape . on the other hand ive picked out many cageless bearings out of OEM motors . one very important thing to do on all 951s is to wait for the motor to cool then run it and fog it some before letting it sit . they tend to pull water from the exhust into the cyls if left hot and that will rust the pins { you know what happins then }
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                          • #43
                            i really need to poof read before i hit post lol
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                            • #44
                              2nd button from the right...EDIT [img]smile.gif[/img]
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                              • #45
                                OK....just got the head back from being re-machined. The shop only re-surfaced it, the domes are as they were. They said .020 was taken off the surface, and I should set squish at .055 or greater. I'm running pump gas (89 octane).

                                My questions are;

                                Is .055 (or greater) squish ok for 89 oct? A 6-hole base gasket came off, and I was going to use a 5-hole for re-assembly (came with the re-build kit)

                                When I install cylinders and head and torque up, then measure squish, can I still use the same head and base gaskets?

                                If a 6-hole gasket doesn’t get me where I need to be, what are my other options for changing squish?

                                Thanks - Tom

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